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Re: The future of OCB

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Therp, Ronald Portier
- 10/10/2016 09:44:20 
+1

Seems a very balanced approach to me.

Op 10-10-16 om 09:38 schreef Joël Grand-Guillaume:
> Dear community members,
> 
> 
> This is a very "hot" topic :) ! On my side, I think that OCA has really
> made a huge effort in being RELIABLE. That means a lot to our users and
> contributors and that is something I want to make no compromise.
> 
> If we accept this OCX under the OCA umbrella, we will soon have modules
> in our branches that will not work on the official branch. This is
> clearly unacceptable for me as an end user will see OCA as a not
> trustable organisation.
> 
> On the other hand, I found giving a try to the OCX branch to empower
> innovations and creativity to our contributors a real great idea !
> 
> So, after thinking on it, I suggest:
> 
>  * Leave OCB 10.0 on OCA organisation, might be deprecated on v11
>  * Create a new OCA-dev Organisation on Github and put the OCX branch there
>  * This organisation also host a replication of the all the OCA branch
> that are pulled and merged daily, but they can also contain new module
> relying on OCX.
>  * Communicate properly that OCX is not a fork, but a initiative to
> empower contributors innovation, allowing them to build a great things
> 
> 
> With this suggestion, we have the best of both world what do you say ?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Joël
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> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Houssine BAKKALI
>  wrote:
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>     You're welcome Stefan!
> 
>     That said what about having a real mother f.. DMS being part of this
>     OCX ;)
> 
>     2016-10-08 1:08 GMT+02:00 Stefan Rijnhart <stefan@opener.amsterdam
>     <mailto:stefan@opener.amsterdam>>:
> 
>         Thank you, Houssine. Your clarification is very much along the
>         lines of what I had in mind, rather than choosing a diverging
>         path from Odoo at this point.
> 
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>         On October 7, 2016 2:53:18 PM GMT+02:00, Houssine BAKKALI
>         
>         wrote:
> 
>             I think that some of you are mislead.
> 
>             The point of having an OCX branch instead of OCB is too free
>             the resources that was maintening the OCB for this new
>             project that if if it's technicallay a fork has not this
>             purpose.
> 
>             The aim is to have a branch depending on the Odoo version on
>             which the enhancing PRs would be merged as it was done for
>             OCB. This looks more like a OCE(Odoo Community Edition) that
>             allows the community to make use of monkey addons patch due
>             to the core limitation.
> 
>             This could also be a playground for more experimental things
>             on the framework, the webiste or in the web ui.
> 
>             OCA needs Odoo and Odoo needs OCA, in top of that OCA
>             alreadt lacks contributors for code review so it's a bit
>             unrealistic to think about a full maintained Odoo detached
>             from the head.
> 
>             I like the idea of Stefan so let's begin with is not so
>             simple idea and see what happen!
> 
>             2016-10-07 14:23 GMT+02:00 Michael Delvoye
>             <mdelvoye@misyl-services.com
>             <mailto:mdelvoye@misyl-services.com>>:
> 
>                 Hi
>                 I think like jean Sebastien 
>                 Maybe oca needs to become an Erp free and not depending
>                 on Odoo versions
> 
> 
> 
>                 Michael Delvoye 
> 
>                 Le 7 oct. 2016 à 11:08, Jean Sébastien HEDERER
>                 ASPerience <hedererjs@asperience.fr
>                 <mailto:hedererjs@asperience.fr>> a écrit :
> 
>>                 Hi all,
>>
>>                 I'd like to say that if most OCA members want to cut
>>                 links between "Odoo official core" and "Odoo OCA core"
>>                 in order to create a new way for all, I'm interested
>>                 in participating. I do not participate for the moment
>>                 because I see no value to run after Odoo SA versions
>>                 from year to year, porting modules version after
>>                 version, keeping some, letting others unported because
>>                 of lack of time. If OCA wants to create value, it can
>>                 only be with a stable core version on which we will be
>>                 able to add enterprise functionalities, not
>>                 shareholders functionalities.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 ----------------message d'origine-----------------
>>                 De: Stefan Rijnhart [stefan@opener.amsterdam
>>                 <mailto:stefan@opener.amsterdam>]
>>                 A: Contributors [contributors@odoo-community.org
>>                 <mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org>]
>>                 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 14:09:01 -0000
>>                 ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>                  
>>>                 Dear OCA collaborators,
>>>
>>>                 as a follow up to the lightning talk at the OCA codesprint today, let me
>>>                 expand on my ideas.
>>>
>>>                 The OCB project (https://github.com/oca/ocb) was created in a time when
>>>                 Odoo itself was a lot more unstable and many core bug fixes needed to be
>>>                 included in a production instance. It was a feast to collaborate with
>>>                 the OCA community to share the effort and enjoy the benefit of each
>>>                 other's fixes. Nowadays, there is a lot less interest in the project.
>>>                 Not a lot of PRs are proposed, mainly I feel because Odoo itself is a
>>>                 lot more stable, and smaller changes from the community are adopted more
>>>                 quickly in the core project. Meanwhile on OCB, not a lot of reviews are
>>>                 being posted either and some of the PRs that are still being proposed
>>>                 are not valid against the policy of stability, as they would create
>>>                 incompatibilities with Odoo (defined as: does a change allow the
>>>                 creation of community modules that are compatible with OCB but not with
>>>                 Odoo or the other way around).
>>>
>>>                 It thus seems that the OCB project outlived its usefulness. My
>>>                 suggestion would be to freeze the OCB project: no branch for 10 will be
>>>                 created, and no more merges will take place on the existing branches. We
>>>                 can still keep merging the upstream changes to the existing branches as
>>>                 a form of limited support.
>>>
>>>                 This would free up some resources for a replacement project. I would be
>>>                 very interested for the OCA to host a version of Odoo that does allow
>>>                 for more radical changes to the Odoo core. Currently, the ideas in the
>>>                 community on what could be improved in the Odoo core just get lost,
>>>                 because Odoo SA is not very open to them, and neither is OCB. I would
>>>                 like to see what the community members come up with, and see if this
>>>                 leads to a more vibrant project. Some restrictions would still apply of
>>>                 course. If an improvement could be made in a separate addon, there would
>>>                 be no reason to include it in the project.
>>>
>>>                 As a part of the project, we would have to think about managing
>>>                 dependencies, as it might be the case that community modules are created
>>>                 that are only compatible with this new version (or worse, when
>>>                 incompatibilities are introduced that break additional modules). We
>>>                 would also have to think about clearly documenting the changes and
>>>                 providing an upgrade path to later versions of the project.
>>>
>>>                 Please share your thoughts on the topic.
>>>
>>>                 Regards,
>>>                 Stefan
>>>
>>>                 -- 
>>>                 Opener B.V. - Business solutions driven by open source collaboration
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>>>                 Stefan Rijnhart - Consultant/developer
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>>>                 mail: stefan@opener.am <mailto:stefan@opener.am>
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