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Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not ?

by
InitOS GmbH, Frederik Kramer
- 30/04/2021 12:50:38
Hi Joe, 

nice one. I'd still probably start with a simple choice and oivot if
necessary but that really more an ideological question just like the
barbecue analogy.

Have a great weekend

Frederik

Am Freitag, den 30.04.2021, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

> Hi Fred: 

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> Since the barbecue season is just coming up - or has started with us

> - I try to compare with the topics you brought up

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> - Some are swearing on a char coal grill - for the taste and heat

> - Some are rather more keen on gas grill - simpler handling, quicker

> install, little to clean.

> - Some are using electric power, very clean, easy, no fossile fuel

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> - some have a table grill, totally sufficient for two people, quick

> setup, easy to clean

> - some use a big grill for friends and family - more stuff in

> parallel on the flames

> - some have a smoker and really can do big things at once, with

> marvellous taste

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> At that stage - mouthwatering already -  you got choices - which is

> great.

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> But if your solution is too small, to big - or if you have no fuel or

> electricity because you want to grill in the park, you might run out

> of luck with your particular choice. 

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> We did our due diligence mainly on versatility on scalability of

> transaction and messaging products, as we want to learn and integrate

> just once and use many times.

> For us, we rather pick a great "foreign language" product over a poor

> one with the same programming language as the ERP for a platform

> strategy which is really enterprise ready.   

> After all, it is an open source solution and we did not have a hard

> time yet implementing it about 34 times now.

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> And since we own two redundant, highly automated data centers and VM

> templates to be turnkey, setup - as always - is a breeze 

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> The sun is out, have a great barbecue, and some good beer, too. 

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> Cheers, Joe

> Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>

> An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <

> contributors@odoo-community.org>

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 14:22:07

> Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not

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> Hi Joe, 

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> on the first glance that seems to be a reasonable choice. I wonder

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> we were heading for an entire ESB as that comes at quite some cost

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> overhead in maintaince not to say often a undesirable Java stack ;-)

> and not ONLy a message broker in the beginning ?

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> Did you really need all the environmental functionality and

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> of an ESB ?

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> Best Frederik 

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> Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 12:11 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

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> > Hi Fred: 

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> > After making a shootout between various candidates, we ourselves

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> > Reason is its plugable structure, business critial shape, it stands

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> > https://wso2.com/about/customers/ebay/ ) and it is open source. 

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> > Best, Joe

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> > Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>

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> > An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <

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> > contributors@odoo-community.org>

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> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 12:46:51

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> > Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or

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> > thanks for the valuable feedback. Indeed i wasn't too specific on

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> > Odoo ecosystem. Which Message bus do you prefer in your scenarios

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> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 09:52:11

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> > > Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or

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> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer

> Geschäftsführer

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> initOS GmbH

> An der Eisenbahn 1

> 21224 Rosengarten

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> Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12

> Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10

> Mobil:  +49 179 3901819

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> Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com

> Web:   www.initos.com

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> Geschäftsführung:

> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke

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> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken

> Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226

> Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247

> USt-IdNr.: DE815580155

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Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
        
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
        
Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12
Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil:  +49 179 3901819
        
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web:   www.initos.com
        
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke

Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
USt-IdNr.: DE815580155

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