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Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not ?

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IT IS AG, Joerg Lorenz.
- 29/04/2021 14:06:54
Hi Fred: 

Thanks for your swift reply.

On your question: 
After making a shootout between various candidates, we ourselves had chosen WSO2 (formelry called ESB, now is EI).
Reason is its plugable structure, business critial shape, it stands up for high volume transaction processing (actually Ebay.com with one billion transactions is run on its engine, see https://wso2.com/about/customers/ebay/ ) and it is open source. 
Best, Joe
Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>
An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 12:46:51
Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not ?

Hi Joe, 

thanks for the valuable feedback. Indeed i wasn't too specific on the
scenario but its quite unlikely that an order in that business case is 
more than 10 items (standard only 1-2 is guess). However all
considerations with decoupling checkout from logisics and financial
fail in our case (a least without further design changes) because the
entire physical / financial transaction needs to be accomplished and
book in less than 10min. But of course a solid message broker
architektur would be something that would be really helpful for the
Odoo ecosystem. Which Message bus do you prefer in your scenarios and
for what reason, if i may ask

Best Frederik

Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 10:37 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:


> Hi Fred: 


> 


> instead of looking into the amount of orders, I would rather look


> into the amount of lines per order containing items (excluding the


> one lines that are just informational), first.


> This is the key performance measure.


> If the order line volume is resonable (1-3 on average on an online


> order), then die 30 to 50 a minute is a hands down job, because,


> there is no posting involved, just stock reservation. Question still


> is, what the response time shall be for each order?


> 


> Also a question would be for your scenario, if those really need to


> be put as ORDERs, instead of QUOTEs - which are even simpler to


> consume. 


> 


> If you like we can talk more on your requirements by phone. 


> 


> N.B.


> In very high volume sceanrios we did, like with some 20000 orders a


> minute, we usually just consumed, the orders with an message broker


> first, then preprocessed there, confirmed (if no error), queued and


> batched in the the ERP for processing (we did this for DHL for all


> barcode scanners of Deutsche Post service men in Germany, rond trip


> was supposed to be less than 5 seconds to get confirmation to the


> barcode scanner). 


> 


> Best Joe


> 


> Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>


> An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <


> contributors@odoo-community.org>


> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 09:52:11


> Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not


> ?


> 


> Hi Joel, hi Jordi, 


> 


> thanks for your valuable answers. For the time being we don't really


> know about the real scenarios as this is a bolt pitch claim of a VC


> driven startup for now. But from the business model it seems


> reasonably


> realistic for me to ask before claiming something that doesn't hold


> true if it materialized. 


> 


> I am pretty sure that - given the business model - there will be rush


> hours. So yes, i could even conceive 50 instead of 30 orders a


> minute. 


> 


> In similar use cases that you just explained, we have been applying


> both of the strategies you mention


> 


> 1.) Decoupling stock moves


> 2.) Batch processing in off-peak times


> 


> In the use case at stake both does not really work as the entire


> transaction from Checkout to Delivery (incl. Picking) is supposed to


> take less then 10 min incl. pyhsical transport. 


> 


> Nevertheless i think all of that may be doable but, i will certainly


> not claim "without hassle and much invest".


> 


> Thanks for your answers


> 


> Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 07:32 +0000 schrieb Joël Grand-


> Guillaume:


> 


> 


> > Hi Frederik,


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > Yes this is a big number ! Look, first before anything else, how


> many


> 


> 


> > lines on average for those orders ? According to my XP, this


> matters


> 


> 


> > a lot.


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > Second question is: Are there rushing hours and more calm hours ? 


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > In our XP we could not record more than 10 orders per minute. Was


> on


> 


> 


> > V 12 though, so it might have improved a bit by now. In our case,


> we


> 


> 


> > had a rush and calm hour. So the jobs could be recorded during rush


> 


> 


> > hours and processed during calm ones. It worked well, but that was


> 


> 


> > for not that many numbers...


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > An idea would be to decoule the order confirmation from the stock


> 


> 


> > move generation and do this in two different times. You could


> ensure


> 


> 


> > the reservation using our stock allocation module.


> 


> 


> > 


> 


> 


> > Cannot really help much at this stage,


> 


> 


> > 


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> 


> > Joël


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> > 


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> > 


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> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:32 AM Jordi Ballester Alomar <


> 


> 


> > jordi.ballester@forgeflow.com> wrote:


> 


> 


> > > We have a use case with approx 5000/day. I can see how 50000/day


> 


> 


> > > can become a hell. Imagine recomputing a field, or migrating


> 


> 


> > > between versions.


> 


> 


> > > 


> 


> 


> > > It's a challenge, I give you that.


> 


> 


> > > 


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> > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:35 PM Frederik Kramer <


> 


> 


> > > frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:


> 


> 


> > > > Hi Folks, 


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > i have a project proposal on my desk that will ultimately end


> up


> 


> 


> > > > in


> 


> 


> > > > approx. 30 checkout transactions per minute. Has anybody got a


> 


> 


> > > > project


> 


> 


> > > > with that order volume done with a relatively recent version of


> 


> 


> > > > Odoo


> 


> 


> > > > and provide a good reference. Please bear in mind that the


> 


> 


> > > > project


> 


> 


> > > > ahead involves a similarly high volume of stock moves.


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > Any suggestion / comment like (but not limited to) 


> 


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> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > Odoo is the wrong technology for that, forget it, because....


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > over


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


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> > > > You can do it but, a), b), c) ....


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > to


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > If you really want that beast flying involve us over here


> because


> 


> 


> > > > we


> 


> 


> > > > are among the few ones that already did soemthing similar


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > would be appreciated. 


> 


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> > > > 


> 


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> > > > From our load intensive projects at initOS i know that 10000


> 


> 


> > > > orders a


> 


> 


> > > > day can be handled but almost 50000 is a different story and


> 


> 


> > > > thats why


> 


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> > > > i am asking the most experienced resource out there ;-)


> 


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> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > Thanks in advance for your replay


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


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> > > > Cheers Frederik


> 


> 


> > > > 


> 


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> > > > 


> 


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> > > > 


> 


> 


> > > > -- 


> 


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> > > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer


> 


> 


> > > > Geschäftsführer


> 


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> > > >         


> 


> 


> > > > initOS GmbH


> 


> 


> > > > An der Eisenbahn 1


> 


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> > > > 21224 Rosengarten


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> > > >         


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> > > > Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12


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> > > > Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10


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> > > > Mobil:  +49 179 3901819


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> > > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com


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> > > > Web:   www.initos.com


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> > > >         


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> > > > Geschäftsführung:


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> > > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke


> 


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> > > > 


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> > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken


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> > > > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226


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> > > > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247


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> > > -- 


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> > > Jordi Ballester Alomar


> 


> 


> > > CEO & Founder | ForgeFlow


> 


> 


> > > (+34) 629530707 | jordi.ballester@forgeflow.com | 


> 


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> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer


> Geschäftsführer


>         


> initOS GmbH


> An der Eisenbahn 1


> 21224 Rosengarten


>         


> Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12


> Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10


> Mobil:  +49 179 3901819


>         


> Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com


> Web:   www.initos.com


>         


> Geschäftsführung:


> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke


> 


> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken


> Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226


> Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247


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Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
        
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
        
Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12
Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil:  +49 179 3901819
        
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web:   www.initos.com
        
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke

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