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Re: [13970] Z and X reports and financial compliance within the frame of GoBD

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InitOS GmbH, Frederik Kramer
- 30/01/2017 09:45:07 
Hi Torvald, 

first of all thanks for the reply.

Am Montag, den 30.01.2017, 07:08 +0000 schrieb Torvald Baade Bringsvor:
> Hi Frederik
> 
> For the first part of your question, the POS reports,  I think we
> have some things in common.  There are new requirements here in
> Norway that require a certification from the tax authority for a
> system to be legally used. Part of the requirement is reporting like
> you describe.

We are not yet at the certification stage in Germany but this will come
as well in the years to come. The first requirement is to have this
reports in good shape. Secondly there is law underway that requires
secure and per person logon to the cashiers (in effect by 2020). We
will have a strategy meeting with one of our customers today. It is
very likely that we will focus on the POS / Cashiers first. So i am
gonna write a short spec on what we need and review at least v10 POS to
see whether it is are already compliant with the standard or what is
still missing.

> 
> For the second part,  the auditing, I thought you guys had Datev for
> this? I have made a module to export data in the Swedish SIE format,
> for sending to auditors. 

Well yes and no. You know tax authorities never sleep especially in
Northern Europe on their ways to enforce law to render business conduct
ever more cumbersome. Having said so, they require not only the main
taxation systems (in most cases for SME in Germany this will be Datev)
but also ALL auxiliary systems to comply with the standards. This
requirement was in effect and could be derived from a law called GdPDU
since 2001 but got a review and enforcement with the newly issues law
called GoBD that is in effect since 01/2015 with now excuses since
01/2017

As always one (especially our focus group) cannot to all in one,
because this would effectively mean shutting down ordinary business to
focus on complying with law. But what is very important is to start out
with the most important requirements on that list. And that is what we
gonna pursue with our customers in the weeks, month and even years to
come.

Unfortunately this requires to asses ALL systems that contain business
relevant data (i.e. E-Mail, DMS, ERP as well as all interfaces), so
plenty of work to be done here.

Kind regards

Frederik

> 
> Let's try do discover common ground here, that would be great. 
> 
> Torvald 
> 
> 28. jan. 2017 15.53 skrev "Frederik Kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.c
> om>:
> Hi dear Odoo Community fellows and accounting specialists, 
> 
> at least in Germany we need to comply strictly to some reporting
> standards as of 1.1.2017. These also require POS boxes to be standard
> compliant in the sense that they allow to print a detailed delta
> sales
> report (commonly known X-report) as well as an after session
> termination report called (Z-report). When i remember correctly i
> have
> seen such reports back in Odoo7 but wonder where they are and if they
> are there in Odoov9 and v10 or if the require a specific OCA module
> to be there. I just don't want to reinvent the wheel twice so any
> suggestion / recommendation on the matter would be very much
> appreciated.
> 
> Second German tax authorities require any "financially / tax
> relevant"
> information system to be auditable by the authorities in three
> layers.
> These layers are L1, L2 and L3 as follows:
> 
> L1: (unmittelbarer Zugriff) allows the auditor to review the
> accounting
> inside Odoo with full read-only access
> 
> L2: (mittelbarer Zugriff) allows the auditor to ask you (through a
> dedicated financial user in your company) to provide specific details
> (i.e. reports, figures) using a read-only access to the financial
> data.
> 
> L3: requires a standard compliant full export of financial data
> complying with a certain standard that has been crafted by the
> financial authorities. In the German case they can be found here
> (http:
> //www.project-consult.de/Files/Beschreibungsstandard-GDPdU-01-08-
> 2002.pdf) starting with an XML schema from page 12
> 
> Unfortunately these layers can be combined by any means and upon
> specific requirements of the auditor. While using Odoo Code Search
> and
> a lot of relevant other sources and even consulting the German OCA
> forum i found out that some other countries seem to have similar
> requirements.
> 
> I found 
> 
> - Netherlands
> - Luxembourg
> as well as Spain (i.e-. AEAT)
> 
> but all having different XML structures and details and different
> modules (in different stages of maturity and for different Odoo
> versions). 
> 
> I would really appreciate if some of you folks could point me to
> standards and their websites not in the list above or additional
> information (i.e. modules) that might fit within the scope of
> financial
> auditing. Btw. i know the the Zugferd think is also part of the
> German 
> requirements (thank to Alexis for putting so much effort in that)
> 
> i am really looking forward to receive answers and feedback on both
> issues, namely
> 
> - Z and X reports POS
> - as well as financial audits (L1,L2,L3 and similar approaches in the
> world)
> 
> Kind regards and a nice weekend
> 
> Frederik
> -- 
> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
> Geschäftsführer
>         
> initOS GmbH
> An der Eisenbahn 1
> 21224 Rosengarten
>         
> Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12
> Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10
> Mobil:  +49 179 3901819
>         
> Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
> Web:   www.initos.com
>         
> Geschäftsführung:
> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke
> 
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
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> Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
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Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
        
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
        
Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12
Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil:  +49 179 3901819
        
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web:   www.initos.com
        
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke

Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
USt-IdNr.: DE815580155

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