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Re: Fiscal years and periods in Odoo9

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Camptocamp SA, Frédéric Clementi
- 21/12/2015 16:51:02
Hello Stephane,

I know that you have a specificity on your current project but I do not want to be obliged to use period since the accounting date do the job because end-users then will ask for group by, advanced filtering, analysis views, reports...with periods.

So I really prefer having a separate module to handle periods.


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2015-12-21 14:23 GMT+01:00 <Bidoul@pad.odoo-community.org>:
Frédéric,

What do you think of merging fiscal year and fiscal period in the same concept?


Since fiscalyear as implemented in the PR is just a name, date_start, date_end, and it's only used for reporting, we could merge everything in the same table so users can configure their predefined reporting periods as they need (months, quarters, years, or anything else, or combine).

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Frédéric Clementi <frederic.clementi@camptocamp.com> wrote:
Ok, but if you want to submit to OCA, I suggest that you build the period like it has been done in account_fiscalyear and create a module with a dependency on account_fiscalyear so will all be on the same page.

Many thanks

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2015-12-21 13:38 GMT+01:00 Houssine BAKKALI <houssine.bakkali@gmail.com>:


2015-12-21 13:08 GMT+01:00 Frédéric Clementi <frederic.clementi@camptocamp.com>:

2015-12-21 11:23 GMT+01:00 Houssine BAKKALI <houssine.bakkali@gmail.com>:
if I understand it well. it recreating the concept of period but not the way it was done earlier version 9.

we just made a demo to the accountatns of a company and they was a bit surprised to don't be able to close a year or a period. So locking on closed period and closed fiscal year would enough for them.

If you explain that instead of locking Period of January & February, you select a locking date up until the 28th of Feb, where is the issue ?

a looking date looks a bit less accountant users friendly, having the concept of period back without the period_id stuff.
you will be looking in which period the posting date is located and check the state of the period. lock the post if it's closed, allow it if not.

fiscal year locking could works on the same basis AFAIS

I think that like this we get the best of the two worlds. But maybe I'm missing something.


However, it is unacceptable that there is no more permanent locking on fiscal year, I agree
 

do there is a request for unallowing by default posting outside actual period? it could be a locking too
I do not think this feature exists anymore

ok this won't be hard to have it back through ir_config_param or something else.
 

2015-12-21 10:38 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Jeudy <nicolas@sudokeys.com>:

Hello,


To update Frédéric response which I approve :), if you want to close some period, you just have to improve locking system and use date to date filters .. if you want to close 03/2015 period, add a list of date to date closing records for example 01/03/2015 to 31/03/2015 and add this in the write / create / delete filters.

+1 
Do not reimplement a field period_id, it would be a mistake that you will have to carry over all odoo next versions.


 

Nicolas JEUDY

 

 

Le 2015-12-21 10:07, Frédéric Clementi a écrit :

Hello,
 
For your information, we have already created a module account_fiscalyear -> see PR : https://github.com/OCA/account-financial-reporting/pull/144/files
This is very basic : just a way to set the start/end date of a fy for reporting purpose. 
 
However, I am worry if you go in the direction of re-creating periods. 
 
Let me explain why :
 
When we created few years ago the financial reports webkit we wanted these reports able to calculate on the fly the initial balance. Second point was that in the wizard we offered the possibility to select rage of periods OR a range of dates.
 
Quickly, we realized that it was impossible to calculate the initial balance based on dates selection because in Odoo date can be out of periods... and only periods are important to calculate accounting balance.
 
In the end, we had to drop the initial balance calculation functionality when user was using dates instead of periods. (and I received so many questions about this...) 
 
In version 9, I think the accounting date solve this issue we have for several years and as an ex-accountant myself I honnestly think that I can live without periods if I still can post supplier invoices at an accounting date. In fact, this solution is just perfect.
 
I also add that if you re-create periods, you will probably have to adpat the locking entry system and analysis views, ...
 
 
 
 

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2015-12-21 1:22 GMT+01:00 Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@elico-corp.com>:

Maybe you could push to the OCA as WIP your job and/or first start a roadmap about it.
I personally dont think it is necessary to redevelop everything for the periods and stick to Odoo's new behavior based on date (to automatically indicate in which period it is).
We would need control on periods in AE for fiscal closing and filters in reports mainly.

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On 12/21/2015 04:38 AM, Mathieu Laflamme wrote:
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I can share the little we have. Having a common base for period is necessary I think.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 14:52 Jean Sébastien HEDERER ASPerience <hedererjs@asperience.fr> wrote:

ok, but is your effort shared or shareable ?

 

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I have done the same - just added back period and fiscal year and made functional fields on account invoice and account move line - avoids having to change a lot of modules plus accountants think in periods so makes more sense to me.

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From:        Mathieu Laflamme <mathieu.laflamme@gmail.com>
To:        "Accounting" <accounting@odoo-community.org>,
Date:        21/12/2015 07:08 a.m.
Subject:        Re: Fiscal years and periods in Odoo9




Since we have made modules that was using the task period, we basically just added it back disconnected of everything else... We didn't inherit any of the Odoo module yet.

We would have to prevent creating invoices on closed period and add new filters in invoice views to search invoice by period. I think about filters to show last period invoices, previous period, last fiscal year... That's what I plan to develop.

Does it make sense? I didn't look at v8 code to see what else the period was doing but that's what we will need.

It baffles me that they removed that!


On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 08:53 Jean Sébastien HEDERER ASPerience <hedererjs@asperience.fr> wrote:
ok, in which module?
 


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De: Mathieu Laflamme [mathieu.laflamme@gmail.com]
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Hi,

We reintegrated the periods in v9 but it's still at an early stage.

 
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 06:08 Jean Sébastien HEDERER ASPerience <hedererjs@asperience.fr> wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to know if there is a group of people working to reimplement fiscal years and periods in Odoo 9? I'd like to be involved in group and help.
 


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